On a day in February 2005 and a friend to talk was a village. In the event that there was a guest speaker to give testimony. He is the father of John, a former curate and also Manta disalah one student in the Theological school.
father John told him that the incoming spam is not due to meet with the dream of the Prophet Muhammad, such as the entrance to Christian because the dream where Jesus met the same dream that can not necessarily prove the truth of God's teachings, which can be syethan become nenyamar Jesus. but he had to get permission from the Christian teachings and compare it. first he was very unsure as Al-Book, which always dibacanya. and he asked the same frock that is controlled Al-Book.
PENDETA YOHANES DIALOGUE WITH THE VERY PENDETA control aLKITAB
P YOHANES: priestly father is not convinced that we Saving is like Jesus Christ in Matthew 1 paragraph of Article 16.
the paragraph states: "And Jacob Joseph reproduce, the husband of Maria is the birth of Jesus, called Christ."
According to fathers, whether that is actually meant by the words: "Jesus and Christ."
PENDETA: Do you not know the meaning of these two words?
YOHANES Q: I understand. But only to match it with the interpretation of the father.
PENDETA: Good, Jesus is the Greek language, which means: "Releasing the" release of human sin.
P YOHANES: Where did the information that Jesus means renounce sin.
PENDETA: Actually, the order of the questions that arise from me. But I understand may be to test my brother about the Gospel, although I also meet the expectations brother. please check in Matthew Article 1 paragraph 21.
In this article, and paragraph mentioned: "Then he will beranakkan a son, and thou shall call him Jesus, because it is the will of his people on the release of all sin."
P YOHANES: The Meaning of Christ is not Almasih, the sayings, Fair, Miss Salem and some longer means that other Almasih word in the English language called the Gospel: "Christ the Lord," the Arabic language is called the Gospel: "Almasih Ar-Robb. " The word "Lord, and Robb" means lord, a host Excellency, and there is also the meaning of God, and others again. However, because Jesus said that he alone is not emissaries of God, but how in the book of the Gospel of John chapter 17 verse 23, and he diperanakkan by humans, such as in the Gospel of Matthew Article 1 paragraph 16 and 21, even he himself who said, and admitted that God One is (Freedom), as mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, article 12 paragraph 29 and in the verses of the Gospel of others, based on the recognition that Jesus, Jesus clearly is not God and not the children of God.
PENDETA: It is true that fathers up
YOHANES P: I think as Christians Jesus is God because of the Trinity concept. But we yearn for that concept is there when the new Council of Nicea. When Jesus is still alive, he does not teach the concept of the Trinity. Jesus once asked by some Jews educated in the Gospel of Mark. "Sir, what is particularly law. Answer Jesus (Mark 12: 29): "The law is mainly: shalt Israel, the Lord our God, God is One (One)." Perkata repeat the words that what is said by Moses + / - 1,300 years before Jesus was born.
Matthew 5: 17-18
"Do not come sangkakan I want to recast the law or the book of prophets; I come not want to remodel, but want menggenapkan. As I say unto you, so that heaven and earth pass away, one or noktah one titikpun once no-one will vanish from the law until all have been so. "
Unity of god Prophet Moses (Deuteronomy 4:35, Deuteronomy 6:4, Deuteronomy 32:39).
Unity of god Prophet David (II Samuel 7:22, Psalm 86:8).
Unity of god Prophet Solomon (I Kings 8:23).
Unity of god Prophet Isaiah (Isaiah 43: 10-11, Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 45:5-6, Isaiah 46:9).
Unity of god Jesus (Mark 12:29, John 5:30, John 17:3).
Is not the law says only one God, that is why the Jews believe Jesus as a child of God. Because they are wrong in interpreting the teachings of Jesus, they think seems to confess Jesus as Lord or the children of God. That is why the Jews of Jesus mencelakai with menyalibnya.
If Trinity is the important issues that need to be taught, when it is a good time to teach the Jews. About 3 to give testimony., Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit is the third one. But Jesus did not say that. Also, if Jesus is Lord, he would direct answer "Yes" My God, if there is the guy himself. If there is the question whether the Indonesian capital Jakarta, I will answer "Yes". But Jesus never said that. So there is no concept of the Trinity taught by Jesus. If there is, please think their own fathers.
The concept of the Trinity is not that we anut namely:
God the Father is God, is a child of God and the Holy Spirit is God, but not three but one God.
God the Father Almighty, children and the Mighty Mighty Holy Spirit, but not the three Mighty except one
God the Father is a Person, a child is Person and the Holy Spirit is a Person, but they are not one but three Persons, whether it is English. Inggriskah language. Indonesiakah language. Neither. But the language the planet, because it is not reasonable.
The concept of the Trinity comes from 1 John 5: 7-8
"Because there are three who have testified in heaven: the Father, the Word and Holy Spirit; and the third one is." (7) "And there are three that give testimony in the earth, Spirit and Water and Blood and the third one is." (8)
TERNYATA: this paragraph is issued from Al-Book version of the revised standard (Revised Standard Version abbreviated RSV), which is used by western countries because they are considered insertion. Why?. Because of this paragraph is the only notes made by a copyist of the century to 6 for the purpose of the education of children. Manuscript found when the publisher-Manuscript, the note-cacatan rand was inserted in the text. Therefore, the Christian Bachelor verses found that this paragraph is made / insertion (not the original paragraph). This paragraph is not a word note edging John. RSV drafted by 33 scholars in the highest level supported by the Christian Religion Book 50.
we see again in the Bible see Deuteronomy article 4 paragraph 3 Here mention: "So kepadamulah He was appointed, so that known that God is God, and God is One, except that no other again."
Gospel of our own and that of Jesus himself who stated that there is no God but Allah, the One. So firmly did not own Jesus once said to be God.
PENDETA: Yes, I understand and accept.
P YOHANES: let's check again in Deuteronomy chapter 6 paragraph 4.
In Deuteronomy chapter and verse is saying that: "the O Israil listen! Hua Indeed, our God, the One of the Hua." Clearly, the book of the Gospel in their own God is One state, Tunggal. He has admitted that he alone is not God. How do opinions of priestly father. Christianity says Jesus is a god, while their own reject Jesus called himself God.
PENDETA: Yes, I do not understand and added confusion.
P YOHANES: Let nothing. Let us continue longer. we go in Matthew article 27 paragraph 1.
here saying: "After lunch the day, then all of the parents and faith-old folk berundinglah any of the things Jesus, that killed him."
P YOHANES: If Jesus really is God, it is impossible to plan for any man to kill him. Please see us again in Matthew article 26 paragraph 38. In this paragraph are mentioned: "Then Jesus said to them: 'lover highly berdukacita, almost dead rasaku; leaves you here and berjagalah sertaku.'" In this paragraph states that Jesus is a mournful pantaskah is no God grieve. This shows that Jesus is not God. we see Luke again in Article 2 paragraph 11.
in this paragraph states: "For this day is born for Savior, Christ the Lord in the land of David." God really born by the people (Mary). We continue to see John in article 5 paragraph 30.
here saying: "So I can not do what one of mauku own, as I heard I hukumkan, and hukumku the fair is, because I do not try to take mauku own, but gives the Father has sent me." Signs that Jesus himself who said that he was in power do not riot. God does not really have run riot. In paragraph Hobbes Jesus said that His will own it, according to the will of God who sent him. If Jesus really God, it can not be governed by anyone. In this verse He also admitted that he was not sent by God but god. Who sent it certainly is not God.
it is quite clear that:
Coming of Jesus kedunia this is not one's own messenger of God but on the will of God, as God has sent prophets and messengers and others.
He revives the dead, but not free themselves of the will of God, as well as Ilyas can turn people off.
Jesus can cure leprosy Endemic (leprosy), His will is not alone, but on the will of God as Ilyas can cure the disease leprosy.
Information is based on my own recognition of Jesus in the previous paragraph that "I try not mauku own, but gives the Father has sent me."
P YOHANES: Do fathers want to see more revelations that explain Bibel own recognition that Jesus is not God.
PENDETA: what with the father and asked about paragraph mejelaskan my God is not sure why it's so greatly troublesome.
P YOHANES not have to tell Mr. I, that I want to find satisfaction in researching religious teachings, particularly in terms of intrinsic Godhead. orng only the foolish find the truth only with the only sure without knowing the truth teachings, or dreams of Jesus without coming of Jesus is what syethan. That is the guidance of God. Just I learn various religions, eventually I will be sure the truth of Islam. Let us continue, see more articles in the Deut 4 paragraph 39. Both, in the article and this paragraph is as follows: "And now the know and see this good, that it is the Lord God, both in the heavens above, both in the earth below, and unless it is not another one." Firmly once, dikitab Gospel itself, which states that there is no God but God, and Jesus alone, they said that there is no god but Allah. So Yesuspun not God. This paragraph does not play-play again. If a Christian acknowledge Jesus is God, is testament to the contrary with the sacred book of their own, and contrary to the teachings of Jesus.
PENDETA: But in the Gospel of John chapter 10 verse 38 states are: "To know you can trust, the Father is in me, and I am in the Father." This paragraph indicates that in the Lord Jesus and God in Jesus, the God and Jesus is the one that Yesuspun short, or God. John is also in Article 14 paragraph 11 no mention: "Trust that I am in the Father and the Father in me."
P YOHANES: If the father holds with the verses, that Jesus is God, the father must also recognize that Jesus is Lord and Jesus is Lord.
PENDETA: Not so, but Jesus and God is one.
P YOHANES: If so, I want to ask: "In paragraph two of the series is the word" Jesus and God. "Who is more powerful between them. Bapakah God or Jesus.
PENDETA: Of God the Father.
P YOHANES: If there is still more power from Jesus, then certainly not the Lord Jesus, check out more clearly in the Gospel of John chapter 14 verse 28. in this paragraph are saying: "You have heard me if I go and come back with you. Try as I love you, heart, as I have is: 'What I went with the Father, because my father is more than I'. "In this paragraph alone Jesus says:" My Father is more than I, "this shows that, if Jesus is God, the god is not perfect, because there is still exceed that level. That is not perfect is certainly not God. Please check again father Gospel of John in article 12 paragraph 45.
Both PENDETA, and the paragraph in the article as saying the following: "And anyone that I see, he saw the same He sent me."
P YOHANES: Pantaskah god sent. If Jesus was God, why is there a God sent. Purpose paragraph to see who is Jesus, he seems to see that the Lord Jesus. So the words of Jesus above shows that he is not God, but the messenger of God.
PENDETA: I have not examined the meaning of the verse John Article 10 paragraph 38 and Article 14 paragraph 11 which states that "the Father in me and I am in the Father," as I was reading. However, in this paragraph I think there are two kinds of interpretation:
1. Jesus is Lord.
2. Based on the Gospel of John chapter 12 verse 45 we read that mentions Jesus is the messenger of God. Here as a messenger of God meant to convey his own teachings to the people.
P YOHANES: Paragraph does not mean it has two kinds of interpretation, but between these two verses in which John Article 10 paragraph 38, and Article 14 paragraph 11 and John article 12 paragraph 45 is inconsistent. In one paragraph be that the Lord Jesus, and others mentioned in the paragraph that Jesus is the messenger of God. So in the Gospel itself, there are verses that between one to the other against the return of our original, if there is the holy book of the contents of a quarrel between a paragraph by paragraph the other, the holy book of whether it will still be maintained kesuciannya?
P YOHANES: supposing father also still maintain the divinity of Jesus by Bibel based on that paragraph: "Jesus in the Father and the Father in Jesus" as in John 38 paragraph of Article 10 and Article 14 paragraph 11 that the father will be answered by our own book of the Gospel , That interpretation is not correct father.
PENDETA: Where mention that?
P YOHANES: Please check the father in the Gospel of John chapter 17 verse 21. In this article, and paragraph mentions: "To all be one, it was Father! As the Father in me and in my Father and his people so that one in us, let the world believe the Father has sent me." Clearly, in this paragraph, if Jesus said that Jesus alone in the Father and the Father in Jesus' disciples and also the Father. Then the father must admit that the students also Yesuspun God.
PENDETA: Then how the actual meaning of the verse, according to Mr..
P YOHANES: Sentence, "in my Father," and one with the students so we (God and Jesus) in the paragraph is, that Jesus is not always forget God (the Father) so the students also do not forget Jesus and God (the Father). And at the end of the paragraph, Jesus said "let the world believe that the Father sent me." Series of these words of Jesus once firmly acknowledge that it is not a child of God, but emissaries, and fond father read in John chapter 17 verse 23. the paragraph states: "I was in the people, and in my Father, that the world may know the Father has sent me." What is the order of paragraph is not clear that Jesus himself who said, and admitted that he is not God, but the messenger of God. Whether the father was still not satisfied about the verses of the Gospel that shows Jesus is not God, because I assume was enough to see the father.
may be the only and that is the reason why I entered his anger, because anger is pure teachings of God. Not from the Koran. because if the word of God made man, the revelations of his many confusing, many contrary antra one with the other. Book it Angel no one who opposed the contents of the paragraph by paragraph one of the other. I say once again that truth is not a religion can be obtained from the dream. but from his teachings.
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